http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/ en-gb 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 maxusa@nospam.com hourly 1 2000-01-01T12:00+00:00 http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 We are currently developing another specialty item for lowered cars from Parts Shop MAX.As an alternative to 8 piece subframe spacers which stiffen the OEM bushing, and the 8 piece solid subframe bushings currently available now, we will offer a 4 piece set of subframe solid risers made of CNC aluminum. The subframe risers slip in similarly to (but easier than) solid bushing set which requires the OEM bushings to be torched, cut or pressed out as seen below. One piece will slip into each corner, installed from the bottom because the top of our solid part is flush with the top of the subframe itself without any collar or protrusions which will press the subframe to the chassis, up about a half inch from its previous position to assist proper geometry in lowered cars while stiffening the chassis better than other options available today. We are targeting the $100 price point, we'll see if its possible when production is complete. Some shots of the OEM bushing removal that you could do in your garage. If you can manage to get it pressed out its cleaner!We took the liberty of gusseting some suspension mounting points, and adding a sexy color to the subframe while it was out. CAD drawing of the part being produced now:I'll be sure to post updates after install and testing! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 white lao tzu oohlala! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift you have 2 weeks haha http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA Never Lift wrote ...you have 2 weeks hahaTell me about it!! No finishey no drifty.white lao tzu wrote ...oohlala!Thanks for the inspiration. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Sideways_In_SD Sweet sausage!! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA ...finished partsSlip fit parts are an easy install, made permanent using epoxy Solid diff bushingsFinal fit of the subframeInstalled all the MAX Arms & Rods, Everything is looking quite bling-blingish at this point!BRIG pads make the rears break traction with ease in conjunction with the MAX hydrobrake.I am as excited as a 10 year old boy on christmas morning, cant wait to dump the clutch and liquify some rubber! Final review to follow this weekends event. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift cool. so how much higher did you end up getting the subframe to sit compared to stock? And what was the reason for having a large amount of the metal hanging out the bottom? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA Its about a half inch higher. The larger than stock amount of material on the bottom is there because it maintains the oem overall height which allows the front chassis brackets to bolt on flat. In other words whatever we took off the top we put back into the bottom.beforeafter http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 fran what are the benefits of rising? stiffer ? better feel? more response? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Kevin you don't removw traction by rising the front of the subframe???Kevin.. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA fran wrote ...what are the benefits of rising? stiffer ? better feel? more response?Sure is stiffer, its similar to the feel the collars provide but more extreme, more diff noise too. Kevin wrote ...you don't removw traction by rising the front of the subframe???Kevin..if you only saw the last two pictures you may have thought we only raised the front, but its level on all 4 corners. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift the benefit of raising it is: basically since our cars are slammed, Matt and I were trying to think of wayys to correct the geometry in the rear. You can get custom rear knuckles that make everything mount lower making all the arms straight but they are expensive and hard to find. This helps with that and if you do both the risers and the knuckles it'll be as if your car isnt even lowered. pretty cool. And the solidness keeps slop out of the chassis. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 xanvai_D so whats the news on these? they good? info pleeeeaassee http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA They work great but it will take some time to release because we have to do a huge production to keep the price reasonable - the one offs were expensive!!! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA no date yet, I will update this thread when there is progress http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Kevin When they will be available???Kevin.. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 irax i didn't see there was a second page that kevin's question was answered. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift what happens? raising the whole subframe makes everything sit higher in the chassis. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Marcus im buying these http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift hurrrryyyyyyyy! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA they are being made right now. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift yess girl! send it! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Kevin Nice I did great to wait before ordering from another shop :):)Kevin.. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA who else makes subframe risers? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Kevin if the riser was not available I will be ordering stock alu bushing not riser! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 white lao tzu OMGYAYAYAY http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Marcus have these been tested with roll center adjusters?if so, which? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA None of the testing cars have roll center adjusters. Here is the final production version of the MAX Solid Subframe Risers track tested and in production NOW.Alot of people think you need a press to do this but its near impossible because the thin metal on the subframe around the outside of each bushing will easily become distorted. You can do it with an air saw, you poke the sawblade in the cavity in the OEM bushing and cut a slit in the outer ring OF THE BUSHING being careful not to cut the subframe ring. It helps to saw a little from the top side and a little from the bottom side. Once the slit is cut shove a big flat head screw driver in there and once the tension of the bushing's outer ring is compromised, it just pops right out. To prepare for the epoxy you want to sand the surface. Mix epoxy - When you buy some the thicker viscosity the better. The brand and type are not important as long as it is made to bond to metal.The Risers slip right in by hand and are secured permanently with epoxyYou have to beat the unibody here... especially if you dont have MAX GII camber arms.You also have to redo the e-brake cable routing bracket.With this second version of the solid riser the bottom part is half as thick so you can slice off the extra threads that are no longer needed so you have more dirt drop ground clearance in case your wheel slips off the track. The half thickness in the bottom part of the rizer also really helps if you are trying to use a straight toe rod on a really low car. Of course if you are on top of your game you already have the MAX GII bent toe rod = ) We should have these on or around march 25th you can pre order now if you wish to reserve a set They are only $100 plus shipping for a set of 4. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA smear it on both sides http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 white lao tzu ok so these are super awesome!my car felt really good at top drift this weekend.2 events ago i broke my drivers side axle (twice), so two of em in one eventthis event i didnt even break a boot because the max subframe risers help with the axle angle as you can see in the photo. they also help with suspension geometry as you can see in the photo as well if you look at my LCA and stuff.some other cool things that you wouldnt think of till they are on- they allow you to make your exhaust higher by the diff which if youre low is a very weak point on the exhaust. also, it physically makes your subframe higher in your car, which helps for bottoming out ur subframe. ive cracked my subframe twice before so this is a major issue and a good thing to help.one thing that wasnt expected is it changed my wheel fitment, since the LCA is so angled up, naturally when you lessen that angle it pushed the wheel out, about 5mm on my setup.overall these are super awesome, install is pretty easy just takes a few hours even if you dont have crazy tools/shop.do it! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 JankiS13 So you put epoxy around the riser and then slip it in? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Baka..! getting a set fo sho http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Marcus i thought it would adjust your fitment. similar to raising your car would. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Baka..! when do these bad boys get in..? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA They are supposed to be 2 weeks late, I'll post up when they arrive. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA Yes thats the latest news http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Marcus gettin all antsy pantsy. just noticed your post on zilvia. 4-24 http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Baka..! yay http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Ofc. Dangle Damn count me in for a set of these. I need to setup my pay pal. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Marcus bam son. first ones baby. happened to be there when the dude delivered. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Baka..! got mine too..! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA SFR is in stock now (moved thread from wish list to products) http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift right. these replac the rubber bushings in the stock subframe. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA ... http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 slideways90 so here is my question then. is PBM gonna make some front Roll Center Adjusters? if not is it suggested by more experienced guys to run RCAs on the front? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift moonface racing makes good RCA's. you can get them from rhdjapan.com http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Lifted Noob question: Do these eliminate the need for subframe bushings and collars? Basically, just take out the old bushings and install these by itself, right. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 slideways90 dont know if its been asked, but why dont you guys use roll center adjusters? especially since you can get severe steering angle; suspension geometry up front must change alot. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift the only good RCA's that i've found are moonface and are hard to get/really expensive. And as low as my car is, it still wouldnt put it back to stock geometry. Also, RCA's only correct the lower control arms so u'd still have to deal with everything else. the subframe risers correct everything that is attached to the rear subframe. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 irax dont get megan products period. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 slideways90 the only thing you would have to worry about on the front is the LCA and tie rod. the knuckle kit already repositions the tie rod angled down. it basically fixes it dosent it?i dont plan on slamming my car only go as low as the RCA will let me. anyone have any experience with megan RCAs http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 slideways90 thanks! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 terrence I have some questions on these, maybe you can help me out.So I installed the risers and install was smooth until I put the sub frame back on the car. Now my (Megan) RUCA's are against the frame of the car, so there is no travel anymore. I had to raise my car about 2 inches to correct this( car looks fucking retarded at the current height now). Also whenever you mentioned rerouteing the brake cable, where and how exactly did you do this. Because I cannot figure it out. My drive shaft now rubs against the brackets and basically wont move now. Ugh. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA hammer the pinch welded seam like pix on page 3 of this thread or cut it so it has a semi circular notch for your RUCA. Mod the OEM ebrake bracketso its out of the way. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 WishIHadaSilvia I haven't tried reattaching my ebrake cables yet so I don't have any advice for that, but I cut out the area on the body where the camber arm goes. I just cut the lip out with an angle grinder about 2" wide.I actually noticed that on my drivers side I had smashed the RUCA into that pinch weld on a off road excursion - which explains why I've broken two cheap RUCAs on that side...I've since replaced them with quality pieces and have had no issues. My forward drivers side subframe bolt was tweaked too...I remember what wheel drop that must have been - I bent it back and all seems fine now. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask do you guys ever reinforce the subframe like welding some seems stronger or anything?? jw i get these bushings this week i wana do everything i can while its out also you used eppoxy to put the bushings in will jb weld work? or should i go with an eppoxy?? jw http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Matty I'm trying to use the pictures for reference on making my rucas clear the frame but it's not really helping, and it looks more like the car in the pic had them notched and welded?I started to beat the part on the body where the ruca hits but it didn't seem to do anything and I don't wanna mess it up by hitting it with a sledge. Help :/ http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift get MAX ruca. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Matty So I did a little test after I put everything back in to see how far the rucas would have to travel before they hit.With my current setup there is no way they will touch the frame rails. This is on 15s. This is way lower than my coils will even go; I'd be almost happy with that fitment on 17s.Getting MAX coils & rucas when they get their next shipment, so I'll see if i'll have to hammer anything after putting those on. Hoping the max rucas will clear no matter what. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift still hammer just because http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA you can see the gusset plates we added on the lowest mount of the orange subframe (that gets dirt dropped) on page 1 of this thread http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask really ?? i did not know that i heard you cant mod your crossmember either is that true?? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift reinforcing the rear subframe is a great idea. It's just that Formula D rules dont allow you to do that. That's why most of us havnt done it. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 wisdomination how thick of a sheet metal did you guys use?also, any other area's that could use some gusseting? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA its usually the lower arm tabs that break from the track edge. 1/8" thick http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask i threw mine on over the weekend very solid i like the feel car kicks out pretty easy also.. compared to how it was before http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA true because your inputs are not being soaked up in rubber bushings http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask fuck you know what i didnt do i forgot to bend the ebrake bracket... that might be why my ebrake wont lock up anymore.... shit lol -_- i was trying to j turn my shit a few times becuse i noticed my ebrake was really soft feeling and it would not lock up at all idk if thats the problem but im going to have to take a look at it...and hell yah the rear end is very solid it feels like when i kick it out i dont need to do it so hard depending on the size of the turn like i was up shifting around this barrier and compared to how i used to engage it was more effortless. it got away from me once but after i got the feel of how it reacted it was almost like my lines where more solid and less sloppy aas well as my transistions you can deff tell a differance in how it feels honestly if you are into drifting this is a very very good buy its really not that hard to do if it didnt rain so much we could have got them in and out in just a few hours... http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA the ebrake bracket gets bent to avoid the cable touching the driveshaft, hope yours is not shreaded....doubt it because it barely rubs anyhowyou probably need some nice rear pads http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask ill put it on the lift tomorrow after work and take a look i tighted the cable after work today and i still didnt notice any differance i added some brake fluid when it was on the lift for the bushings im gona just bleed them and see hot it works.. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 chask yah problem still i replaced the pads with fresh ones my ebrake will not lock for shitttttttt i took a 10 mil and tighend the cabel still no lock... hmmm it worked fine before i put the risers on i noticed when i had the car on the lift that the ebrake cable was inbettween the subframe and the chassis is that a problem? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA if its getting smashed its a problem http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Yarberry What would be the advantage of getting the risers over the collars? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift the risers actually raise the subframe up into the chassis of the car. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Jdori Corrects travel geometry- better traction- less broken axles http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Yarberry spanks http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA martin says you bend the OEM cable bracket to make it work http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 rbs14 i have a question ... on the stock subframe the e-brake cable pass in between the chassis and the subframe ... now with the risers instaled ... do i keep the same location(i think there's not enough room for the cable ... will get pinch in by the subframe) or reroute them ??? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 rbs14 ok but they keep the same route !!!! perfect i will try that !!!! thanks Dan http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Geno750 Any chance of a riser with offset mounting holes so we could use the S14 subframe on the S13? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA that sounds possible to me http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 JankiS13 Offset bushing would be sick. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 rbs14 if i bought your complet rear suspension arm 2 seeks ago ... not here yet ... do i have to massage the frame rail/unibody . or your camber arm will clear !?!?! http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 rbs14 do you guys change the stock camber bolts !!!!??? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 s0apgun i've been searching around for s14 into s13 subframe bushings seems like touge factory used to sell an offset bushing in 2007 but i don't think they offer it anymore and it was like 250 dollarsand i also don't think it was used as a riser eitherdan you should seriously sell an offset bushing those would sell like hotcakesbtw i have the psm solid ones in my s13 now but i plan to get the s14 subframe and reinforce it like the s15 one so consider me down for an order if you do make them http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 s0apgun i believe the s14 subframe is 3/8's wider on both mounting pointsso thats how much the hole in the bushing would need to be offset http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 JankiS13 Soap, if you get a kouki S14 subframe, they are reinforced just like the S15's. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 s0apgun oh nice didn't know that thanks for the infobuddy down the street has a zenki s14 shell just chillin that i could pull a subframe off though haha decisions... http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 s0apgun here's a video i uploaded the section on s15 subframe into s13 in the silvia super tuning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xps7WEhDHbI@ 2:30 http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Never Lift the subframe will only go up as far as it does with these risers because the frame would now sit flush with the chassis. the lift was the same, it just maybe stuck down farther.. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Jake Just curious, i noticed at the beginning of this topic the subframe solid risers (the silver non colored version) appeared to give a larger lift than the final product version(the sexy gold color version). Is there a reason that the amount of lift was reduced, or does it just look like the first version of the product gave a larger lift than the final product? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 pete I might have missed this, but.. Im having the spacer put in this weekend and I know that it will move the wheels out aprox 5mm. But what about camber settings?? http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 Dan at MAX USA You need to realign all settings including camber after installing the risers. http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3169 2010-09-09T01:30:36-04:00 pete Thanks, but im looking for a more exact answer. My alignment guy is only there on certain days. So I kinda need to know the how the fitrment on the car is going to change, and how bad its going to to be to drive on it till I can get it aligned.I meant if its 1 degree then Im not worried. But if its 3 degrees then I need to plan how to adjust the rear fitment accordingly.Thanks for any help offered.